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Am a board please help
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Post by Gabe on May 30, 2022 3:12:17 GMT
I flew it on 3536 and built to the plans were I could video is here btw flying could be better tbh but I was getting cg correct still i May be the first person to do a roll without ailerons Maybe CG was a little rearward? it indeed was, a guy at the club noticed and helped me out with cg after that flew quite well
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Post by Burkeomatic on May 30, 2022 4:07:25 GMT
Maybe CG was a little rearward? it indeed was, a guy at the club noticed and helped me out with cg after that flew quite well Says alot about the design that it still flew! My mig had the battery break free and go to the back and the CG went all crazy on maiden, but I was able to recover it, the plane ended up mostly coming to a stop in the air and vertically hovering down on to the engine pods with no damage! I think my only other plane to survive something like that was my P-40. I used to rely on the velcro adhesive to the battery (now I know better and superglue it on) and the battery came free, it would have fallen out without the hatch, and the plane would fly really weird, it would pitch up, lose all control, and once I finally got it pitched back down it would fly kind of normal, so I would shrug it off until it started being crazy again. I about lost it into a neighborhood and I brought it back in. I landed and noticed the battery was free.
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Post by bwarz on Jun 5, 2022 16:24:26 GMT
It looked to be a nice enough morning yesterday, although I got headed out a little later than I had hoped. The sun was shining, mid 60s, very little in the line of clouds. Tossed the P36 and the F6F in the back of the vehicle with a handful of batteries for a few flights before the rest of the family crawled out of bed after a late night.
(if you haven't guessed by the dramatic, this may not end well...)
Got out to the field - a very wide open space next to an actual grass runway. Nicely mowed (although it could have used a little grooming). The wind was a bit stiffer than it was supposed to be (although that 'supposed to be was at 7:30AM - a whole 90 minute prior to my arrival at the field) pretty steady 10mph with some gusts, but a bit erratic with a steady direction.
In with the battery into the F6F. A light and comfortable flyer (thank you 13th Squadron) and enjoyable even in a bit of wind. Takeoff was a few noseovers trying to roll out to get in line with the wind. I chose to stop trying to be casual with it and cranked it up, pulling the tail off the grass into a quick takeoff. Still shaking off the winter cobwebs (have not flown myself in probably two months) but the flight was respectable, albeit a bit slow. The wind kept me on my toes for the 6-7 minutes on the battery. My radio told me times up, so in for the landing I go. A bit out in the field, a less than perfect landing with a stall at about 18 inches and that last drop to the earth. I've got the gear too far back and too short (thus the very easy nose-overs) and it instantly nosed over again. No harm, no foul, no damage.
So up goes the P36. The wind has been picking up as the sun makes its way higher - yea it felt a bit more on-again off-again in just that short time. I taxied the P36 out into the field and was just playing rudder games trying to taxi in a straight line. I got it out far enough and had a nice take off. Well placed gear and a bit more weight. I wanted to see how things went with the new 5200mah 3S batteries - may as well have the needed nose weight in the battery instead of a handful of lead slugs... I was flying a bit reserved on the throttle but keeping it going. The wind was tweaking back and forth, sometimes on the back of my ear, sometimes on my face, but the weight of the plane was good. A few flybys at 5-10 feet for good measure and my radio was telling me times up. That times up was for a 2200 so I kept it out for another minute with a few low flybys in front, sometime into the wind, sometimes with an annoying angle. Time to land though.
Why I didn't deploy the flap, I don't know. Why I didn't keep it out a bit into the filed, I don't know. Why that darned wind had to shift on my final approach, I don't know. Coming in a bit hot (remember, no flaps?) at about 3 feet but still just above stall and the wind shifted. All of a sudden, nothing around for an easy 500 yards except for me and the cart I brought my planes out into the field on. I hit the dirt as it had decided to return home, perhaps wanting a piggy back ride? It missed me - good - then the awful sound as it hit the cart... the cart still holding my F6F. Yup, one crash, two casualties.
I know - build fly crash rebuild. That doesn't help that instant instinct to drop a few choice words as nobody else was around. The instinct to get POd cuz the plane was still cherry. The mood that settled on my throughout the day (quite a bit better now).
The F6f just had some impact crushes on the rear of one wing. The P36 was a bit worse. Took off both tips of the prop. Crushed a gap in the left wing about 4 inches wide and all the way back to the spar. Various wrinkles in both wings too. As I was showing off my damaged goods to my brother visiting from 6 hours away, I also noticed that I somehow cracked the tail on one side under the horizontal.
Pics still to follow - have not made the time to read on sharing images from flickr.
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jun 5, 2022 17:20:22 GMT
It looked to be a nice enough morning yesterday, although I got headed out a little later than I had hoped. The sun was shining, mid 60s, very little in the line of clouds. Tossed the P36 and the F6F in the back of the vehicle with a handful of batteries for a few flights before the rest of the family crawled out of bed after a late night.
(if you haven't guessed by the dramatic, this may not end well...)
Got out to the field - a very wide open space next to an actual grass runway. Nicely mowed (although it could have used a little grooming). The wind was a bit stiffer than it was supposed to be (although that 'supposed to be was at 7:30AM - a whole 90 minute prior to my arrival at the field) pretty steady 10mph with some gusts, but a bit erratic with a steady direction.
In with the battery into the F6F. A light and comfortable flyer (thank you 13th Squadron) and enjoyable even in a bit of wind. Takeoff was a few noseovers trying to roll out to get in line with the wind. I chose to stop trying to be casual with it and cranked it up, pulling the tail off the grass into a quick takeoff. Still shaking off the winter cobwebs (have not flown myself in probably two months) but the flight was respectable, albeit a bit slow. The wind kept me on my toes for the 6-7 minutes on the battery. My radio told me times up, so in for the landing I go. A bit out in the field, a less than perfect landing with a stall at about 18 inches and that last drop to the earth. I've got the gear too far back and too short (thus the very easy nose-overs) and it instantly nosed over again. No harm, no foul, no damage.
So up goes the P36. The wind has been picking up as the sun makes its way higher - yea it felt a bit more on-again off-again in just that short time. I taxied the P36 out into the field and was just playing rudder games trying to taxi in a straight line. I got it out far enough and had a nice take off. Well placed gear and a bit more weight. I wanted to see how things went with the new 5200mah 3S batteries - may as well have the needed nose weight in the battery instead of a handful of lead slugs... I was flying a bit reserved on the throttle but keeping it going. The wind was tweaking back and forth, sometimes on the back of my ear, sometimes on my face, but the weight of the plane was good. A few flybys at 5-10 feet for good measure and my radio was telling me times up. That times up was for a 2200 so I kept it out for another minute with a few low flybys in front, sometime into the wind, sometimes with an annoying angle. Time to land though.
Why I didn't deploy the flap, I don't know. Why I didn't keep it out a bit into the filed, I don't know. Why that darned wind had to shift on my final approach, I don't know. Coming in a bit hot (remember, no flaps?) at about 3 feet but still just above stall and the wind shifted. All of a sudden, nothing around for an easy 500 yards except for me and the cart I brought my planes out into the field on. I hit the dirt as it had decided to return home, perhaps wanting a piggy back ride? It missed me - good - then the awful sound as it hit the cart... the cart still holding my F6F. Yup, one crash, two casualties.
I know - build fly crash rebuild. That doesn't help that instant instinct to drop a few choice words as nobody else was around. The instinct to get POd cuz the plane was still cherry. The mood that settled on my throughout the day (quite a bit better now).
The F6f just had some impact crushes on the rear of one wing. The P36 was a bit worse. Took off both tips of the prop. Crushed a gap in the left wing about 4 inches wide and all the way back to the spar. Various wrinkles in both wings too. As I was showing off my damaged goods to my brother visiting from 6 hours away, I also noticed that I somehow cracked the tail on one side under the horizontal.
Pics still to follow - have not made the time to read on sharing images from flickr. Boo! i've had 2-3 loss days. It is all in mindset. You get to rebuild again, or you HAVE to rebuild again. You don't have to do anything by the way. That wind is pretty typical for me, I lost my 3D printed plane like that. I was at about a 45 degree bank, and the tailwind gust got me, causing instastall 20 feet off the ground. I crashed the dragon that day too. I also had a two death day when I lost orientation of the mig and plowed is straight into the ground, and I had the ailerons reversed on my rocket kaddy. I am considering taking the F6F out today. I am obsessed with getting the dart to fly right, so I may screw with that. It is quite breezy today. I know stabilization is cheating, but the wind here is pretty consistent during the day. For flickr, I just download the app, and snap pics from my phone. Then you can just click share image and it will automatically upload it. Then you just go into "share" on flickr and it will give you an option for BB code. Just copy and paste it. Flickr doesn't work well for sharing bb code on mobile though, so I just do it from the computer, there are probably a dozen better photo sharing services.
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Post by ratcheeroo on Jun 6, 2022 16:17:36 GMT
It looked to be a nice enough morning yesterday, although I got headed out a little later than I had hoped. The sun was shining, mid 60s, very little in the line of clouds. Tossed the P36 and the F6F in the back of the vehicle with a handful of batteries for a few flights before the rest of the family crawled out of bed after a late night.
(if you haven't guessed by the dramatic, this may not end well...)
Got out to the field - a very wide open space next to an actual grass runway. Nicely mowed (although it could have used a little grooming). The wind was a bit stiffer than it was supposed to be (although that 'supposed to be was at 7:30AM - a whole 90 minute prior to my arrival at the field) pretty steady 10mph with some gusts, but a bit erratic with a steady direction.
In with the battery into the F6F. A light and comfortable flyer (thank you 13th Squadron) and enjoyable even in a bit of wind. Takeoff was a few noseovers trying to roll out to get in line with the wind. I chose to stop trying to be casual with it and cranked it up, pulling the tail off the grass into a quick takeoff. Still shaking off the winter cobwebs (have not flown myself in probably two months) but the flight was respectable, albeit a bit slow. The wind kept me on my toes for the 6-7 minutes on the battery. My radio told me times up, so in for the landing I go. A bit out in the field, a less than perfect landing with a stall at about 18 inches and that last drop to the earth. I've got the gear too far back and too short (thus the very easy nose-overs) and it instantly nosed over again. No harm, no foul, no damage.
So up goes the P36. The wind has been picking up as the sun makes its way higher - yea it felt a bit more on-again off-again in just that short time. I taxied the P36 out into the field and was just playing rudder games trying to taxi in a straight line. I got it out far enough and had a nice take off. Well placed gear and a bit more weight. I wanted to see how things went with the new 5200mah 3S batteries - may as well have the needed nose weight in the battery instead of a handful of lead slugs... I was flying a bit reserved on the throttle but keeping it going. The wind was tweaking back and forth, sometimes on the back of my ear, sometimes on my face, but the weight of the plane was good. A few flybys at 5-10 feet for good measure and my radio was telling me times up. That times up was for a 2200 so I kept it out for another minute with a few low flybys in front, sometime into the wind, sometimes with an annoying angle. Time to land though.
Why I didn't deploy the flap, I don't know. Why I didn't keep it out a bit into the filed, I don't know. Why that darned wind had to shift on my final approach, I don't know. Coming in a bit hot (remember, no flaps?) at about 3 feet but still just above stall and the wind shifted. All of a sudden, nothing around for an easy 500 yards except for me and the cart I brought my planes out into the field on. I hit the dirt as it had decided to return home, perhaps wanting a piggy back ride? It missed me - good - then the awful sound as it hit the cart... the cart still holding my F6F. Yup, one crash, two casualties.
I know - build fly crash rebuild. That doesn't help that instant instinct to drop a few choice words as nobody else was around. The instinct to get POd cuz the plane was still cherry. The mood that settled on my throughout the day (quite a bit better now).
The F6f just had some impact crushes on the rear of one wing. The P36 was a bit worse. Took off both tips of the prop. Crushed a gap in the left wing about 4 inches wide and all the way back to the spar. Various wrinkles in both wings too. As I was showing off my damaged goods to my brother visiting from 6 hours away, I also noticed that I somehow cracked the tail on one side under the horizontal.
Pics still to follow - have not made the time to read on sharing images from flickr. That sucks hard my friend, both really nice builds
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Post by bwarz on Jun 7, 2022 2:49:32 GMT
A few pics of the damage. I guess revisiting it after a few days has me looking at it and seeing it won;t be that hard to fix. The amazing thing is how awful it sounded when it hit and for the most part this is the extent of the damage other than a few wrinkles. (and the however-the-heck-it-happened cracked fuselage at the rear)
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jun 7, 2022 2:56:08 GMT
A few pics of the damage. I guess revisiting it after a few days has me looking at it and seeing it won;t be that hard to fix. The amazing thing is how awful it sounded when it hit and for the most part this is the extent of the damage other than a few wrinkles. (and the however-the-heck-it-happened cracked fuselage at the rear) Bro that sucks. I thought of this when I was considering taking the F6F out in that wind yesterday, and opted not to. Glad I didn't. I still bit the dust being stupid, but I was only 5 feet off the ground in a EPP plane when it happened. I took the P-40 out in wind like that once, it nearly didn't make it back. That is when I started running 3536 motors on all my warbirds. I think you could just chop that wing skin off and put a new one on. How did you do those decals?
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Post by bwarz on Jun 7, 2022 3:16:52 GMT
A few pics of the damage. I guess revisiting it after a few days has me looking at it and seeing it won;t be that hard to fix. The amazing thing is how awful it sounded when it hit and for the most part this is the extent of the damage other than a few wrinkles. (and the however-the-heck-it-happened cracked fuselage at the rear) Bro that sucks. I thought of this when I was considering taking the F6F out in that wind yesterday, and opted not to. Glad I didn't. I still bit the dust being stupid, but I was only 5 feet off the ground in a EPP plane when it happened. I took the P-40 out in wind like that once, it nearly didn't make it back. That is when I started running 3536 motors on all my warbirds. I think you could just chop that wing skin off and put a new one on. How did you do those decals? It was handling the wind OK, in retrospect it was my (multiple) stupid mistakes that ended with this. That's how one learns to not make stupid mistakes, right? After inspecting I think I will be able to do pretty much as you suggest - cut out about 6-7" of wing skin back to the spar and work new FB in. A little paint and it will look fine from 10 feet.
I ended up getting a Brother Scan-N-Cut from eBay or FB Marketplace or somewhere and use Inkscape to work out the cut files and cut them out of vinyl. I got the Brother so I could color print insignia or whatever, scan it, and cut it out with the machine instead of using an Xacto. Kinda lazy with simple roundels, but nose art and such is a bit easier.
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Post by Mr NCT on Jun 25, 2022 23:36:47 GMT
My first prototype 125% LongEZ corkscrewed in after losing signal. I think I'm done with Lemon receivers. I just maidened the second one with a Spektrum receiver this time. It's a quick build. This one took about 5 hours from a pile of parts to maiden. Flies great if a little fast. Also very sensitive on the ailerons. I've got the throws set to only one thickness of the foam board deflection and it will snap roll like crazy - not a bad thing I guess. Plans to follow.
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jun 26, 2022 3:29:18 GMT
My first prototype 125% LongEZ corkscrewed in after losing signal. I think I'm done with Lemon receivers. I just maidened the second one with a Spektrum receiver this time. It's a quick build. This one took about 5 hours from a pile of parts to maiden. Flies great if a little fast. Also very sensitive on the ailerons. I've got the throws set to only one thickness of the foam board deflection and it will snap roll like crazy - not a bad thing I guess. Plans to follow. Looks like fun! I don't currently own anything with canards. do you have an airfoil on the canards? Apparently in real life those planes are pretty unstallable and they just drop the nose when they lose enough lift, because the canard stalls first. Although I read a tale of a guy that did stall one allegedly. He is dead, apparently his plane just dropped like a pancake to the ground after he lost his prop. I saw one on sale on barnstormers a two years ago for $30000, if I would have had room, I would have bought it even though I don't have a PPL yet, I would have been more motivated to get it.
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Post by Mr NCT on Jun 26, 2022 11:39:03 GMT
Yes, the canard is a KF airfoil also and a 5 degree up angle so it stalls first. If you pull the nose up it just stops climbing and levels out. Fun plane to fly, I'd love to fly a real one.
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jun 26, 2022 23:49:43 GMT
Yes, the canard is a KF airfoil also and a 5 degree up angle so it stalls first. If you pull the nose up it just stops climbing and levels out. Fun plane to fly, I'd love to fly a real one. Nice, hey on your radio, what kind do you have? If you have one with a jr bay on the back, it may be worth it to you to switch to the elrs. Never have a brown out or signal loss again unless you are 30km out. I took the drift out today. It is the only FPV plane i trust right now. it was a little shaky, i think i will turn the gain up a little on the stabilizer. Found a landing approach i like. Sweep down close to the trees and make that 90 degree turn and drop down a little more. The turn scrubs off the speed, and trees give good height indication. Wouldn't do that LOS though.
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jul 11, 2022 4:12:52 GMT
What is the best trainer? This is. I actually enjoy flying it. Looks cool. Check! Flies easily. Check! Can actually go pretty quick (I have a 2210 1500kv and a 7x6 prop on it) Check! Can run it into a connex and not damage it? Check! You can upgrade it to an aileron wing. It is no more tough to build than a FT plane.
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Post by Burkeomatic on Jul 18, 2022 3:20:38 GMT
It had been a while since I flew my drift, so I took it out today. I forgot how slow it was, but it also flies forever.
A cop showed up and sat there and spied on me where he thought he was out of site. I did a couple of fly overs. I am pretty sure he was just checking on the construction equipment, but you know, got to have fun, and I was sure not to drive by him when I left. There is a huge difference in analog cameras. They go by ''tvl'' which i think is pixels wide resolution or something. The camera on my other plane is 1200 tvl, this is only 600. Quite a difference.
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Post by bwarz on Aug 2, 2022 2:41:07 GMT
It was quite the nice evening yesterday so I took my now 11 and 13 year olds out to do some flying (which has been seriously lacking the month of July!) They both got to fly their mini scouts and getting better every time (with just a normal receiver - no stabilization!) and I got to finally maiden the FT Alpha and put a few more flights on the small original P36. The Alpha was quite interesting and flew super easy and smooth, although I think it needs a larger prop (5x3 on a 2300kv with 3S). Two batteries through it and it looks the same as it did sitting in the basement for 6 months The mini P36 on the other hand flew its last flight yesterday, doinking my nice new battery in the process Its wing tips have been straightened and taped many a time in the last year or so with nice folds running through the ailerons. I guess I was pushing it a bit harder than normal and in the middle of a fast hard turn she just twisted and dropped into a steep downward spiral, hitting the nose so hard it pushed the prop right into the cowl busting up my 3d printed power pod and tweaking the battery plastic a bit (gonna watch it closely, but it doesn't look to be bad enough to damage a cell) As always, no video, no pics, just a fun evening out with airplanes and the kids!
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